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The thing is that my wife is so wonderful in every other way, and I do love her deeply & without condition. But I don’t think He’s behind any of your problems and is not trying to teach you anything through this, although you very well may learn a great deal in the process. That makes me feel as though the many accusations on my husband’s part are not all true. For those of you who can hang on for decades with a new covenant and vow of celibacy *within* the marriage, you have faith and endurance I simply do not have. My wife doesn’t want me, or if she does, it is so sparse as to be virtually meaningless to me. Pythagorean thinking was dominated by a profoundly mystical view of the world. I really hope you are accurate on this information Laura. While sex drive is a myth, husbands and wives do have physical and emotional needs that are fulfilled through sexual union. Ironically, his first marriage broke up because he was unfaithful. Dan Grey indicated that this “problem” is systemic and part of our culture. I went to a counselor and discussed my plan with him and he felt I was on the right path. I don’t believe that my wife ever intended to hurt me with her attitude towards sex. To keep the peace, I no longer make issue of it but rather have put the issue squarely between God and myself in prayer. I could never be ‘dirty’ enough for him, etc. We kiss (sometimes passionately), she hugs me tightly, she puts her head on my shoulder in bed, and she says “I love you.” I support her, we communicate, and we’ve even talked about this. StrongMan. But that doesn’t mean their needs are being met, nore does it mean they are just “turning themselves off” either. Your wife sound very, very hurt. I have lost most of my ability to take things on faith. This level is much more challenging for a woman to achieve than a man because physically we are generally not as strong and find ourselves vulnerable occasionally. So I apologize if I took out some of my frustration on you. Yes it did. That’s a tough dilemma for sure. Regardless of the consequences. I have tried to do that myself, and it has been difficult–I chose acting out as a way to “medicate” myself. You are wise to be working with a therapist. I am The Lord and I will say when she is healed. He will say something,…and then there is a “but,…….”. But … you can’t control this. But, I am so tempted to find another person to permanently be a part of my life. I felt like I was finally getting some control back in my life, and finally getting back something of myself after all those years of abuse. Very few people like to do things they don’t feel like they are good at. The pressure hurts her, and I accept responsibility for that–wishing I could undo that damage and hurt. They seek a new understanding of celibacy that is focused on God rather than a future marriage or a lifelong vow to the Church. The rule of celibacy in the Buddhist religion, whether Mahayana or Theravada, has a long history. All of my friends, (even my children) ask me why I don’t get divorced; I just don’t feel it is the right thing for me. Interestingly, when things are provided without qualification, it can be taken on either side with just as much validity. We have three children together and throughout our 18 years together we had a fantastic and totally fulfilling sex life until four years ago. So there was no affection outside of the bed. I say all this to put myself in the same boat I put all other therapists. I’ve identified with every post on this thread. We have three children and have joint bank accounts, otherwise we’re two separate beings. It caught me offguard, and he really has no idea what the struggle was or is inside of me, and why I went to him in the first place. "[69] In contrast, Saint Peter, whom the Church considers its first Pope, was married given that he had a mother-in-law whom Christ healed (Matthew 8). All of your points are well taken. Rob4Hope–you say you’ve harmed your wife and you feel really bad–and maybe she is justified in withholding sex. Sir John said this at the top of this page: “I have to believe that in heaven there will either be perfect sex or something much better yet.”, You ever see the movie “Second Hand Lions?” The kid is having a conversation with Uncle Hub at the pond, and he asks Hub how he can believe some of the things Hub is saying because: “How do you know it is true?” Hub’s response is classic (and WISE!!!)…. Unless I believe, there is no reason to keep trying. I felt so dirty, ashamed, and guilty. It is not treated as such in general ways. 78, A single man or woman is socially and biologically incomplete. I can’t say you are in that position, but it sounds like you are in a very sad and low place. In this case, I’ll modify it slightly and hope it’s not considered blaspheme: “…My God, whom I serve is able to deliver me from this fiery desert, and He will deliver me. I would encourage any spouse within the sound of my voice to be sure they have been very clear in communicating the seriousness of their sexual situation before taking life-threatening action. It’s the milk before the meat issue. To be honest I can’t imagine wanting to make love if the reason we are is because she’s had counseling and thinks she should. I have always believed that divorce should never be an option. It is not wrong of you to feel sexual desire towards your wife. I don’t like to see people hurt. [65], "A famous letter of Synesius of Cyrene (c. 414) is evidence both for the respecting of personal decision in the matter and for contemporary appreciation of celibacy. 2-6Certainly—but only within a certain context. Ours is not an easy fix, and I imagine yours won’t be either. MonsterWife, at this stage in your marriage, you have been told to stay–at least for now. No offense toward those men,…but if marriage is so important, and if sex is messing many up, then why does the church not talk more openly (which CAN be done appropriately) about it? One of the things our therapist points out is that my wife gets to have her feelings just they way they are, and that she is just fine for having those. I don’t really care for the song very much, but Cheap Trick definitely captured the essence of how I feel with these words: “I want you to want me; I need you to need me.” Most men never get this. Not knowing this position policy, for me, actually has sent a miss-message. It sounds like you have given this particular decision considerable thought and planning and consulted with your counselor. She has gone through a very serious and sincere surrender process where she has given me over to God,…and she has focused on what makes her happy, alive and brings personal development and growth. I’ve read through some of my posts, and they frighten me–I feel like I often teeter on the edge of flat out apostasy. But it’s also that the priest entered his lifestyle willingly. With that said, I feel more alone and distant now than ever before. Things have changed in our culture and I can see the wisdom in the “Church” having little to say officially about sex. I think for virtually every man a sexless marriage would be the opposite of “fantastic.” I wonder sometimes if these virtually anonymous posts are from a wife that does not like sex just trying to counteract the prevailing posts confirming how terrible a sexless marriage is. He speaks mostly about physical safety, but as a female, I would like to think that also refers to emotional safety. Why does the focus seem so exclusively on protecting AGAINST sin, and not what do do while IN the marriage to keep the home fires burning? After all, she only consented to marry you, not to have sex with you. I’ve got some good counseling now, and it has been invaluable in helping me learn this. MY wife and I have been involved in therapy patterned after Emotional Focused Therapy,—Sue Johnson being the founder. I have read what Mark Chamberlain wrote, and have spoken with him personally about this. My only hope for peace in this matter is death, so that I can then understand the reason of it. But unlike the author of the post, I gave up. But, I was not raised to take such problems to my bishop,…and when I have, his attitude is “Even if you never have sex again, it is still worth it to keep the commandments.” (Direct quote). It was not well received in China, for example, where other religions movements such as Daoism were opposed to it. We are well aware of the joy and unity that can come to a married couple when this particular dimension of the marital relationship is nurtured. It is also used to cultivate occult powers and many supernatural feats, called siddhi. I struggled with a low sex marriage for many years before I realised that it was God’s will to humble me. The purpose of practicing brahmacharya is to keep a person focused on the purpose in life, the things that instill a feeling of peace and contentment. Celibacy looks different to each person, so there’s no single way to practice it. There are others that too struggle similarly. Contact Us. I anticipated times when she might want to cuddle. [citation needed], When Jesus discusses marriage, he points out that there is some responsibility for a man marrying a woman (and vice versa). The point that needs to be clear is that if God wants you to NOT be in a sexually intimate relationship for some reason, He can thwart your efforts to the contrary to make sure it doesn’t happen. It’s the only thing that gives me any sense of peace while wrestling with my Italian-like libido. Our marriage is in a worsening cycle. . ———————– Basically healthy people who have a few bad habits change those habits all the time. It was kind of nice getting attention that showed I actually was desirable to some women but I never went on a date. Those with the power of celibacy are eligible to claim a bright future of Golden Age of heaven / Paradise. How many years am I expected to continue this cycle? For men it’s more like, if we’re awake, we’re ready to go, but if we’re asleep there’s only a 50/50 chance! 47–68 in J.C. Stark (Ed.). Surely God has the power to help people stay the course, even if it is difficult. He does that, and yes, it is done religiously to a VERY high degree. Maslow puts sex in level one, but sexual intimacy in level three, after safety. This concept does not end with married people who remain apart for a short period due to medical reasons. Not under any circumstances. All I think about is suicide but I am sure I would be thrown out of heaven because I didn’t “endure to the end.”. I like to joke to myself that the difference between me and a priest is that the priest wears a collar. I’m not offended. Husbands should love their wives as their own bodies" (Ephesians 5:25–28). Our soul wounds go both directions. ~ Achieving a Celestial Marriage, pg. It is a cycle of death in our marriage that has been going on for 2 decades. It is good to see you post. 2-7 never last more than a day. If he wants, as a widower, to marry again, he must apply for laicisation (removal of their rights to exercise the functions of the ordained ministry) before he is allowed to marry … I was determined to succeed, but the terror I felt towards this particular challenge was acute. We gave up sex about 20 years ago. Then, be clear that you’re not willing to live the rest of your life–or ETERNITY like this! At first this was hard to accept but now I can’t imagine life any other way. I’m sad, my jaw is locked all of the time and I have a hard time interacting with anyone because my stress level is so high. THIRSTY, HUNGRY AND EMPTY. We should have wonderful sex, but you can’t get there by telling wives to put out. You see, he was an observer in that first LS class I attended, and is aware of everything discussed there. Jun 21, 2012 • In fact, according to Islam, marriage enables one to attain the highest form of righteousness within this sacred spiritual bond and is as such to be sought after and desired. Celibacy implies choice, and doesn’t reveal whether both partners are happy. All Rights Reserved. The fact that it is the nature and disposition of almost all “men” to exercise unrighteousness dominion when they get a little authority (or power in a relationship) is as universal as “Adam fell that men might be, and men are that they might have joy.” Women are just as guilty of unrighteousness dominion when they use sex as a weapon to force compliance from their husbands. Edwards, B. After the first three we went eight years on NFP method until God gave us a fourth, quite by suprise. Maybe we’re just not a good match because sex several times a day is waaaay too much for me, but that’s what he says he needs. I hope you will be hesitant to play with fire while you are in such a vulnerable state. No matter how much you try to describe this need and be clear about it, however, your wife is not a man and will never really understand. I will have been married 21 years next month. She told me that counseling wouldn’t help because a counselor can’t change the way she feels (or doesn’t feel). We did get some of that from Elder Holland’s “Souls, Symbols and Sacraments” back in the late 80’s. I believe that bridling our passions is a big part of giving our lives for them. But now that I do, I’m happy with the compromise. My wife and I have been led to this counseling firm by God. If your spouse tells you that sex is not something they want to discuss, and they explain to you in so many words that “sex is important to you, it is not important to me, will be faithful to me regardless and we will not be discussing sex further”,…then you have to make a choice. We’ve been married for over 30 years, I have never committed adultery (rarely even in my mind, as the Bible speaks of). You might say, “Being celibate until marriage is really important to me,” or “Because of my injury, I’m living a celibate lifestyle.” Variation: If you already have a partner, discuss your decision with your partner before you commit to a life of celibacy. The tradition of sworn virgins developed out of the Kanuni i Lekë Dukagjinit (English: The Code of Lekë Dukagjini, or simply the Kanun). Look what happened to Jonah when he tried to hop on a ship headed for the other side of the world when he knew God wanted him in Ninevah. Please hang in there. We haven’t kissed or even held hands for months. I grew up in a family and culture where sex was never talked about–EVER. And when one of you doesn’t see fit, that’s alright and should carry no consequences. As to the question of whether the church should change it’s approach, he left me a bit confused about his position. Dear Steve and Shirley, for the past 23 years, I’ve been married to the nicest guy in the world and I have always tried to be the perfect wife and mother. I was conscientious about balancing this with my goal to be a good supportive, helpful husband so I still worked hard around the house. We all view and judge EVERYTHING through our own lens… Just as what MonsterWife and also you have offered. With all my heart I hope you and your husband can work things out,…and I hope you can find your sexual feelings when the time is right. The one thing I have wanted my entire life is to be loved passionately. Does it hurt him? What would that tell her about God’s steadfast love for her? I am a work in progress. Was he raised lds? I didn’t always want it, and I know he could tell. I need some time to process,…and I will post and answer your questions. I asked him about his situation, and actually heard from his wife’s mouth that she had sexual relations with him “because it is important to him.” I asked him about that later, and he said that they are together 1 time every two weeks, and then for only about 10 min, maybe 15. A real man … to have the opportunity to make this kind of sacrifice. All of these men have been forced to make peace with their less than ideal situation–and they ARE making peace with it. If you don’t think they’ll help, find someone to talk to about it. I cried more the first year of marriage than I ever had in my life (married at 23), but realized I had made a covenant and was willing to keep my promise to stay married to the man God had told me to marry. Steve use to do this, and he made a shift inside, right down at the bottom of his soul. She does not participate. She has always done nice things for me and I am thankful for that, but she believes that her acts of kindness will somehow repay or replace the desire and need I have in my heart for passionate and physical love. According to Raming, the authority of the Decretum Gratiani, a collection of Roman Catholic canon law which prohibits women from leading, teaching, or being a witness, rests largely on the views of the early church fathers, especially St. Even just letting your spouse know of your fears concerning your own vulnerability to temptation can be enough to bring about some necessary changes. Strawberry Letter. Before I can feel sexual intimacy I need to feel safe. I admire your desire to focus on your wife’s needs and to show her God’s love. Make sure that she understands the importance of sex for you. Your actions are between you and your God. Well, fast forward, and I am struggling because I don’t think I can emotionally go through another anniversary like those again. When we have been together, the emotional connection hasn’t been good,…especially outside of the bedroom (as I was doing bad things regardless of what she did),..and it just hurt. I’ve had some dark times,…really dark. My wife tries to help relieve my frustration. I am VERY sad to say I know several of them. Wanting to connect emotionally sometimes isn’t enough– sometimes you need to have a little bit of skill to get there. Make a list of qualities that you would like to develop in your own character and then base your decisions on whether it will help develop those traits or erode them. Now, lest I give you a completely innapprorpiate message, I want you to know my heart goes out to you thoroughly. The circumstances around our coming together were typical of me. She says she has multiple vaginal diseases and I totally believe her, but she has said that since the day we got married and did little to remedy the problem. 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